Today, we are sharing an interview with Talila Lewis and Dustin Gibson, two organizers and researchers addressing the intersection of disability and incarceration. After TL describes the high stakes of being deaf in prison, they move on to sketch out the ways that children of color are disabled across society and pushed towards feeling inept and being housed in prison. They speak a bit about the organization HEARD- Helping Educate to Advance the Rights of the Deaf. We’ll be talking more about their work and more about the history of disability and incarceration in a later episode. We also hear statements from Greg Curry, both about his situation inside the Ohio prison system, and showing his support for the Vaughn 17.