This week, we finish our conversation with Anastazia Schmid. This time around, she talks about labels- and the media’s role in the stigmatization of incarcerated and formerly incarcerated people. Schmid also talks to us about the Indiana Women’s Prison History Project, and other ways of presenting her historical research, especially outside of the academic setting, such as the play “The Duchess of Stringtown” which she wrote with Michelle Jones while in the Indiana Women’s Prison.  She ends by sharing her ideas about what abolitionist horizons look like to her, and how she envisions a continued fight against the carceral system.

You can find a link to Anastazia’s work at The Real Costs of Prisons Project, at, or visit

You can hear the previous parts of our interview with Anastazia here and here.